Jon Moss vs Clapton

[Mr Smith]

Damned Drummer

Former "Damned" drummer Jon Moss was no great fan of Eric Clapton: "If I go 'round to someone's house and there's an Eric Clapton record," he once remarked, "I just walk out." :?


Moss, Jon (?- ) British drummer [noted for various recordings with The Damned]

Tomahawk

[Tom B]

these stories are fun

[Phlame]

I guess he really does have strong feelings against Clapton, or he is just trying to make a point.

[Mr Smith]

No I don't hate Clapton but I don't think he deserves the pedastall (is the bloomin spell checker on or what?)

I'm going to start posting the ones where Clapton admits that Hendrix taught him all the blues he knows. I have heaps of stories to post.

"Hendrix is God" Tomahawk

Tomahawk

[Phlame]

I guess he really does have strong feelings against Clapton, or he is just trying to make a point.


I'm sorry, I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about the drummer in the first post :D

[Mr Smith]

I guess he really does have strong feelings against Clapton, or he is just trying to make a point.


I'm sorry, I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about the drummer in the first post :D

:lol: Sweet as

[R/2e]

No I don't hate Clapton but I don't think he deserves the pedastall

Problem is, at the age of 36, how would you know. You had to be around, and playing guitar, when the Beano album hit the streets, and subsequently his stuff with Cream, to understand why Clapton was God. That's why the pedestal. OK, maybe he's been coasting for thirty years but that doesn't take away the impact he had or the fact that he knew more about blues than Hendrix before Hendrix appeared

Problem nowadays is so much is known and taught about technique that any ten year old kid who's been to lessons for a year or so can play Hendrix. When 'Hey Joe' came out, no-one knew what the hell he was doing or how.

Oh, and why should anyone care what a drummer thinks? We all know the joke about the drummer who walked into a shop and asked to buy the Fender Stratocaster in the window. "You're a drummer, aren't you?" asked the shopkeeper."How did you know?" replied the drummer. "Because this is a butcher shop and that is a joint of beef you are pointing to"

[Mr Smith]

No I don't hate Clapton but I don't think he deserves the pedastall

Problem is, at the age of 36, how would you know. You had to be around, and playing guitar, when the Beano album hit the streets, and subsequently his stuff with Cream, to understand why Clapton was God. That's why the pedestal. OK, maybe he's been coasting for thirty years but that doesn't take away the impact he had or the fact that he knew more about blues than Hendrix before Hendrix appeared

Problem nowadays is so much is known and taught about technique that any ten year old kid who's been to lessons for a year or so can play Hendrix. When 'Hey Joe' came out, no-one knew what the hell he was doing or how.

Oh, and why should anyone care what a drummer thinks? We all know the joke about the drummer who walked into a shop and asked to buy the Fender Stratocaster in the window. "You're a drummer, aren't you?" asked the shopkeeper."How did you know?" replied the drummer. "Because this is a butcher shop and that is a joint of beef you are pointing to"

I don't know if I want to get into a dispute over Clapton's status because really it's a matter of opinion, I have heard most of what Clapton has done, I agree with what your saying about the era and how at the time what Clapton did was ground breaking. If era is your perspective then hey Robert Johnson is God. You should know that the only reason Clapton was labelled God is because some tagger wrote it on a wall (it was probably you - where were you on the night of...). Wow that gives me an idea. :idea:

With all due respect about the age thing I don't think you even have a point other than maybe you had better drugs back then and you thought you saw God. 8) Next you'll be telling me my generation had it easy etc etc etc, well walk in my boots for a day pal! :roll:

I couldn't care less what a drummer thinks either, I thought it was an amusing, contraversial on topic post that some people might find interesting. :wink:

My advice is change dealers, better yet give up the drugs becuase you might even discover that the 60's are over after all..

If we all had the same opinion then there would be no reason for a forum.

Hey I could be wrong, I often am but then again.. who really knows for sure..

Tomahawk

[R/2e]

I'm not getting into a dispute over Clapton's status, simply pointing out why he was thought of the way he was and why he deserved (past tense) the pedestal. And it was nothing to do with drugs, hell I was still a schoolboy at the time in a far off land (so I have an alibi for the 'Clapton is God' thing 8) ) and all we knew was 'drug' was a word that went with 'store' in the movies of the day, being a place where american youth drunk sasparilla and other exotic beverages.

Your generation did have it easier with respect to playing guitar in the availability of better and cheaper instruments and much more written information. But I wasn't saying your generation had it easy in a general sense, don't put words in my mouth.

As to the sixties being over, I sort of realised that in 1970, and it has nothing to do with the point I was making. Maybe when you see ten year old kids sitting around effortlessly doing Van Halen tapping and saying this is so easy, what was the fuss about Van Halen, you'll remember how groundbreaking he was and see what I was getting at. This has nothing to do with 'era' it's to do with perspective.

No, I don't think Clapton deserves a pedestal nowadays, he lost that right with 'Lay down Sally' :evil: . He burned very brightly for a few years and has been coasting ever since. The one thing I will say is that he is distinctive (and that's something all great guitarists have in common) you recognise his playing from a few bars.

[Mr Smith]

I'm not getting into a dispute over Clapton's status, simply pointing out why he was thought of the way he was and why he deserved (past tense) the pedestal. And it was nothing to do with drugs, hell I was still a schoolboy at the time in a far off land (so I have an alibi for the 'Clapton is God' thing 8) ) and all we knew was 'drug' was a word that went with 'store' in the movies of the day, being a place where american youth drunk sasparilla and other exotic beverages.

Your generation did have it easier with respect to playing guitar in the availability of better and cheaper instruments and much more written information. But I wasn't saying your generation had it easy in a general sense, don't put words in my mouth.

As to the sixties being over, I sort of realised that in 1970, and it has nothing to do with the point I was making. Maybe when you see ten year old kids sitting around effortlessly doing Van Halen tapping and saying this is so easy, what was the fuss about Van Halen, you'll remember how groundbreaking he was and see what I was getting at. This has nothing to do with 'era' it's to do with perspective.

No, I don't think Clapton deserves a pedestal nowadays, he lost that right with 'Lay down Sally' :evil: . He burned very brightly for a few years and has been coasting ever since. The one thing I will say is that he is distinctive (and that's something all great guitarists have in common) you recognise his playing from a few bars.

8) Nice come back, I was hoping for a bite but all your points are pretty valid. I have seen young dudes playing a bit of VH amoung other things and I'm not impressed by the lack of real understanding. It's easy to copy a lick but it's another thing to make it your own and meld it into your style, I am impressed by people who take the time to learn all they can theoretically as well as songs written by the greats (I'll include Clapton in that one). It takes years to develope a style and a complete understanding of scales - modes - arpeggios and chord theory are the foundation that all great guitarists in the 2000s are building on. If anything it is harder now that resources are available to everyone. If you want to be great these days you need to be going that extra mile.

Personally I can't tap for s--t but I havn't given up yet :oops: . When I do actually spend alot of time on it my approach will be for sound effect rather than sounding like I'm playng 400 notes/min. It's just another skill that should be learned even if never used.

Thanks for your views. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, your profile tells me nothing so I had to try and guess where your coming from.

Disclaimer:
I could be wrong, I often am, but then again.. who knows. :wink:

Tomahawk