View Full Version : New Breed of Shredders
Pollin
30-07-2006, 01:29 AM
OK, maybe you dont like tasteless shred, or you are looking for somthing new, anyways here are some vids of the new breed of shreders, and some of them not that new;)
Francesco Fareri - Italian Shredder, well known
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZ3Ba7Hk7Q&search=Fareri
Rusty Cooley - Most Famous of the New Breed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmBhH5u0TBQ&search=cooley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzuXyXQ0IHo&search=cooley
Mathew Mills - Another well Known Shredder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7m3aIuGlUg&search=matthew%20mills
Theodore Ziras - Not That Famous, Not That Fast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm_RoYN8IZs&search=Theodore%20ziras
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4F3JZaIe4&mode=related&search=Theodore%20ziras
Daniel Arlington - SOulful Shred Guitarist From The India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fioFn5Chis4&search=daniel%20arlington
Shane Gibson - Another Shredder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKGzh_t_R8&search=shane%20gibson
These are some of them, you maybe not like em....but i do :thumb:
Well.. what to say to that.
Fareri and Ziras sound shitty to me. That's even bad for someone who likes shred. I'm not someone who dislikes shred, but this sounds even crap to me.
Rusty Cooley - the first video is strange.. technically impressive indeed, but yeah well where is the music? The second one is better. I liked him better on the Guitars Suck Videos. Check them out at google video.
Mathew Mills.. we have another thread for this guy somewhere and discussed it before, check it out there.
Arlington was the only one that sounded halfway decent to me.
petermoran555
30-07-2006, 05:23 AM
I would never usually criticise anybody, especially somebody who has obviously put in a lot of effort to play the way they do BUT.....Fareri sounds so terrible.
His vibrato is so awful.
This guy can play...
David Valdes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1-t2Fg1N80&search=becker
zombo
30-07-2006, 07:55 AM
Feriri vibrato sounds like Joey Dahlia perhaps he too lessons from him!
Also he is picking faster than his fingers they are not in unison at all !!
Zombo's verdict SLOPPY POO !!!!
zombo
30-07-2006, 08:01 AM
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Fareri and Ziras sound shitty to me. That's even bad for someone who likes shred. I'm not someone who dislikes shred, but this sounds even crap to me.
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Don't agree with you about Ziras Ini he is brilliant very fluent I loved his technique sounds great to me perhaps you got mixed up ??
I personally loved it but it would be boring if we all had the same taste !!
Fareri - Absolutely aweful. Often out of key and a dreadful tone.
Cooley - Clip 1 was very WTF. Clip 2 demonstrated talent but was intensely unmusical.
Mills - Very skilled Malmsteen clone... arpeggio overkill spoiled it.
Ziras - I liked this a lot. Very reminiscent of Jason Becker.
Arlington - I quite liked this too. Soulful playing with the 'shred' bits thoughtfully incorporated.
Gibson - Another who shreds for the sake of it with no thought to being musical. Talented but tedious.
honest truth i could never understand doing stuff just because you can.
most of that is nonsense, after 5 minutes of it you would be dashing for the door.
these people are only ever heard of inside the guitar camp, because everybody else probably thinks "this is just noise","i'll forget this is in a hurry"
Don't agree with you about Ziras Ini he is brilliant very fluent I loved his technique sounds great to me perhaps you got mixed up ??
I personally loved it but it would be boring if we all had the same taste !!
He was better than Fareri, more fluent yes, but I still think it is boring.
I didn't even watch the whole clip cause I got bored.
The second clip of him was better, but let me tell you why I don't like it:
For me, a track has to have a structure, Danny Danzi once said "they take you on a journey"... they should have a beginning, a story plot and an end.
If a track is really well structurized and filled with ideas, fast solos as well as catchy tunes for themes and intros, then it will fascinate me.
The clips above are almost all just build of super fast solo shredding, I'm sorry but I cannot listen to that for several minutes.
Stuff like that should be part of the track, but not the whole track.
just my 2 cents.
zombo
30-07-2006, 12:34 PM
He was better than Fareri, more fluent yes, but I still think it is boring.
I didn't even watch the whole clip cause I got bored.
The second clip of him was better, but let me tell you why I don't like it:
For me, a track has to have a structure, Danny Danzi once said "they take you on a journey"... they should have a beginning, a story plot and an end.
If a track is really well structurized and filled with ideas, fast solos as well as catchy tunes for themes and intros, then it will fascinate me.
The clips above are almost all just build of super fast solo shredding, I'm sorry but I cannot listen to that for several minutes.
Stuff like that should be part of the track, but not the whole track.
just my 2 cents.
Oh I agree Ini that is not for me either it takes lots of work to get like that but as you know me and what I teach, it isn't being a balanced player!
It becomes boring after a while and monotone that's why I prefer players like Satriani Timmons etc;
Steve Zane
30-07-2006, 02:03 PM
I have to agree with Rick. Yes it is very fast stuff and I will be never able to play fast like that but I just get a headache after 5 minutes of listening.I much prefer to listen to soul.
ZappaFan
30-07-2006, 02:13 PM
Being a man of few words, my opinion on this is , DOH !!! YAWN !!!
petermoran555
30-07-2006, 02:47 PM
the interesting thing is that everyone here commenting on these players are guitarists themselves and dont like it. so who does this actually appeal to?
im certain that anybody who didnt play guitar and saw this would be utterly unimpressed and not have any interest in it whatsoever.
another guitarist listening to it can appreciate the time its taken to build up that speed but still knows its terrible technique with regards to his vibrato (talking about Fareri here......of course)
therefore the only person who must really like it is.......Francesco Fareri.
ZappaFan
30-07-2006, 03:02 PM
I have to say for me there are very few out and out guitar players who inpress me these days. I much prefer to hear guitars played in the context of a song rather than an all guitar virtuoso performance track. There are a few of exceptions though with the likes of Satch, the odd Vai track, some Holdsworth, and of course 6SH member Paul Rose, plus a handfull of others. These days I would sooner hear the likes of Gary Moore, Walter Trout, Jo Bonnamassa, plus some of the more classic guitar solo players like EVH, Frank Zappa. Hendrix, SRV, etc. I think the day of the solo "Guitar Hero" are gone, we are just bombarded with people who seem to want to display out and out technique at the expensive of feel and understanding of taste.
Shame, but thats the way I think it is going. One of the issues here is that many of these shredders have learned the technique and style of players like Vai and satch etc., but dont realise that the players they are trying to emulate and indeed eclipse originally started by understanding and learning the classic guitar licks of Hendrix and SRV. Thats where they fall over, all technique and no soul.
It's a subject that has cropped up hundreds of times on these pages.
zombo
30-07-2006, 03:08 PM
It becomes to clinical not that I am against fast playing but it needs to be melodic and vary itself between slow and climax with faster playing!
What happened to legato and bending !!
zeusse
30-07-2006, 05:56 PM
Yup its all fine and dandy but the chicks never buy the stuff or go to the concerts.....I'm a good shredder...cheese, corned beef, lettuce...ohh I'm hungry need a sandwich with my beer..lol
Pollin
30-07-2006, 07:15 PM
Yeah, Fareri Is very sloopy, he can do 26 nps sweeping, but sloopy and inacurate, also his music is way caotic and nosense, i just posted for giving something to comment :lol:
Nowadays there are lots of lots of fast players, that nothing surprises anyone now, nothing can be like the first time i saw Angelo playing with his quad guitar, or Impellittteri on his instructional vid, and the old style of shredders were way "better", not that fast as the new ones, but they had more feeling and sense on their music, Like Gilbert with his string skipping, or impellitteri with his 17 nps alternate picking, all of them were really good guitar players.....
Highway Star
30-07-2006, 10:17 PM
Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! Dull! I normally try to be constructive and apologies if i've upset anyone but... I think they were dismal!
Farl
bigdoug
30-07-2006, 11:24 PM
flippin heck polin right in there with a post that stirs it up, welldone youngman, :thumb:
ZappaFan
31-07-2006, 12:17 AM
Damn right BigD, a right can of worms, straight in there eh ? Only one other thing would generate more differences of opinion ........... but i daren't mention it.
Highway Star
31-07-2006, 08:26 AM
Damn right BigD, a right can of worms, straight in there eh ? Only one other thing would generate more differences of opinion ........... but i daren't mention it.
Oh, go on! LOL
Farl
Yngwie Malmsteen *IS* God
your sig tells it, peter. full ack.
And yes, go on Zap, I'd like to hear what you have to tell .. lol
petermoran555
31-07-2006, 02:51 PM
your sig tells it, peter. full ack.
eh?? lol
just watched a few yngwie videos... blue and black star.. now that's great "shredding".
had to agree with your sig :p
petermoran555
31-07-2006, 03:13 PM
yeh man, for sure :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1bVsr3bfY&search=yngwie
check that out if you havnt seen it already :) great playing on that song. main solo from 3:01 to 4:25 is genius :D
just watched it, really amazing.. his bends are so cool.
the bends in this one are killing me too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1hXOLjIY-I
petermoran555
31-07-2006, 03:42 PM
yeh dude, that rocks :D
his bending and vibrato is superb. whole tone vibrato. yngwie is king.
Indeed.
check this out too "blue":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzW8fi8z5C8
very cool too
I have to get more of his stuff, in quality..
Just getting Live in Japan, let's see. I don't have anything but the G3 Denver thing of him.
I recently bought some Rusty Cooley DVDs. Impressive but could only watch 5mins of each...now they are gathering dust. I agree with what everyone else is saying...you need a bit of soul. The "song" needs to have set parts or themes if you like and feel as if it building towards something and yuo feel at the end it is resolved and a story has been told. Now Satriani's music has no words (usually) but you get the gist of a theme going on in his music and he doesn't go for out and out speed just for the hell of it but sometimes in his own words just for effect.
I dig Paul Gilbert's fast playing...its fast but melodic too...check out some of his more recent solo stuff and the Mr Big stuff...great playing but fast when required. Like Zap said he was inspired by the likes of Hendrix whereas some of the so called new breed you feel have been locked in their bedroom for years with a book on arpeggios and book of scales and a metronome....someone send them some actual music files to listen to!!!
:smile:
Oh by the way is nps = notes per second? Holy hell people actually calculate this do they? If i had 26 notes in a bar to play I would take about a minute to play it LOL
Once you start to calculate and count stuff like that you already lost imho
i suppose this is in the same sort of vane
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2787039226673188860
Pollin
31-07-2006, 09:40 PM
Yeah, Dellavega......
I ussually like all kind of shredders, but this one merely sucks.....
bwdavis99
01-08-2006, 01:41 AM
Sorry I don't get it, I'd rather hear Neil Young with feedback squealing over a three note solo making the hair on the back of neck stand up. Hell on the Cinnamon Girl solo he only plays a D note on two strings for most of it with a boat load of whammy bar. I'll take emotion over speed anyday.
Barry
Danny Danzi
01-08-2006, 03:22 AM
This discussion will forever flood every board in existence until the end of time. In my humble opinion, what we saw there was a rehash of what has been done since I was learning to play in the 80's. It's all rehashed and done before. This is the type of thing that sent me away from being a better lead player. Guys like this are no longer using the instrument as a writing vehicle, they use it as a sport and speed is their crutch. Did you hear when they tried to do bends? Yeah...horrible wasn't it? Why might you ask? Because they don't know what feel is and all they know is speed. But this is something just about every guitar player goes through, myself included. I always wanted to be the greatest, fastest guitarist alive and said prayers everynight for about 15 years. LOL!
As I matured in my musical career, this all changed. I went to see a famous blues player one time, who will remain nameless until the end of this post. This player was someone I wasn't really into, but respected nontheless. I went to see him because my teacher had an extra ticket. By this time I was so into shred, if a song didn't have a killer guitar going on, it sucked to me. I'd fast forward through all the singing and just listen to the solo's. Pathetic eh? After the show...which was mind-blowing btw, my teacher says "there's a rumor that this guy hangs out at a bar around here after he does a show in Philly. Let's see if we can catch him!"
I just laughed, but agreed. We go to this little seedy bar in a not so good area of Philadelphia and low and behold, there's the dude we just saw! Him, 2 other patrons and the bartender. No one knew who he was other than the bartender and us. So we go up to him and talk for about 2 hours buying each other drinks and talking up a storm about music, guitars and our personal lives. Finally, knowing this individual and how much time he put into the instrument, I had to ask him why he locked himself into his room for 7 years and came out playing the blues over shredding, classical...why blues?!
The dude looks at me....a cig in one hand, a glass of scotch in the other....these words I'll NEVER forget as this God spoke to me in an English accent of course...."young Danzi, when played correctly one note can crush a thousand, I didn't have a reason to shred." That phrase changed my way of thinking forever and I've never been the same since that time. Yes I still shred, but my way of shredding is used as a weapon, not a crutch. Tell a story, paint a picture...don't rely on it, use it in moderation or it gets old and boring like all those players we listened to.
For the record, I enjoyed Ziras but the best to me was Shane Gibson. You can tell just by the way he plays that the man can do anything he chooses. He played what you heard for 2 reasons...because he felt like it, and because he can. That dude is a seriously schooled player and not a wannabe hack like the others.
By the way, the gentleman I was referring to in my story was none other than.....Eric Clapton. :D
Danny Danzi
01-08-2006, 03:32 AM
See what I mean? Not just a shredder here. ;) http://www.shaneguitar.com/videos/bach.wmv
Awesome Danny just awesome great story and lovely to hear why people have been shaped by certain events. :thumb:
bigdoug
01-08-2006, 03:48 PM
danny that is an awsome story, "one note can crush a thousand", so true.
hey danny I was at a couple of rockabilly gigs in the blue comet in a suburb of philly, ever been there?
watch out now for my one note solos in any future jams.
KennyF
02-08-2006, 11:51 AM
Sorry I don't get it, I'd rather hear Neil Young with feedback squealing over a three note solo making the hair on the back of neck stand up. Hell on the Cinnamon Girl solo he only plays a D note on two strings for most of it with a boat load of whammy bar. I'll take emotion over speed anyday.
Barry
I'll take Clapton's work on Phil Collins' "Rain Down".
...and I'm not even a Clapton fan.
Kenny
Pollin
03-08-2006, 02:49 AM
Yeah, this is a never-end topic, just posted to see opinions of shred on this site :lol:
zeusse
03-08-2006, 01:08 PM
Yeah, this is a never-end topic, just posted to see opinions of shred on this site :lol:
You always get an opinion here that's for sure but it is always done in a friendly way.......mind you I'm shredding later today..(he whispers)..hehe:lol:
Well I'm never shredding again man! Too damned dangerous!
Dude
Pollin
03-08-2006, 06:10 PM
You always get an opinion here that's for sure but it is always done in a friendly way.......mind you I'm shredding later today..(he whispers)..hehe:lol:
Huh?? what did you mean heheh :lol:
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